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.Cookie. · Dec 21, 2008, 03:20 AM // 03:20

The snowball ATs are actually pretty fun. Our guild just rolled every team that we faced, even though we only had 3 dwaynas of the 9 matches

. The final versus [dth] was kinda fun match, though we made one mistake and they capped the last present, and we were Grenth! Its actually kinda balanced atm, because if you are Grenth, you just can't afford mistakes, there is no Auto-Win or Auto-Lose involved.

Martin Alvito · Dec 21, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

Have to disagree with you, Cookie. My sense was that we would have won the match with you (closely) in the Swiss if the sides had been reversed, and that we played a poor match against you in the finals that we should have lost. If you'd have been Dwayna, you'd have smoked us 10-5 or so in that final.

While Dwayna is far from an autowin, it makes up for a significant skill deficit. It's probably good for a 3-5 present spread in an 8v8 match, and that's a large hill to have to climb as Grenth.

The situation does beat the heck out of last night's bug during the AT. We were pretty ragey about that. Having to cap 10 to win as Grenth is just insane.

Avalanche and Yellow Snow have been desperately in need of a rebalance for some time, and this just becomes clearer in 8v8.

Lycan Nibbler · Dec 21, 2008, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by H E C T A R

.. so we got 350 rps just for being Dwayna, pretty dumb.

350 RPs EACH for playing a snowball AT?

Jebus · Dec 21, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Unless you are one of those rare people who never makes a mistake(they don't exist), why can't you just accept that there was an oversight that couldn't be corrected in an short period of time. They apologized and that should be enough.

And you sir, believe everything people tell you, I guess?

Martin Alvito · Dec 21, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

350 RPs EACH for playing a snowball AT?

So far I've earned:

355 for 1st
249 for 2nd
210 for 3rd
135 for 6th, 8th
68 for 9th

Needless to say, it gives out a lot of RP's.

shoogi · Dec 21, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

They are fun, also took 1st yesterday, but there is still the problem of avalanche being a bit better than yellow snow... if you are grenth it's impossible to win if they know how to play.

bah I'm just QQing because I just had 5/6 grenth matches in an AT but still (10-0 on the dwayna match btw)... it's very imbalanced atm. At least have Yellow Snow remove a hex as well and be 1 sec cast, glyph is gay too because it cancels your hidden rock.

LifesRestorer · Dec 22, 2008, 12:19 PM // 12:19

make avalanche target foe instead of target foe and adjacent and it's fixt

RotteN · Dec 22, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by LifesRestorer

make avalanche target foe instead of target foe and adjacent and it's fixt

hardly, since dwayna still has 8 copies of it while grenth is stuck with the ele-snare.

In a relic-running scenario, giving one team a snare and one team the removal is hardly "balance". Therefor the only real fix balance-wise would be to give 4 people yellow snow and 4 people avalanche on each team.

Maybe make yellow snow a touch skill that can target allies, to make everything more interesting and promote teamplay and coordination.

kedde · Dec 22, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

I'll support that suggestion.

Wish Swiftdeath · Dec 22, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

Fun game, it's just a shame its ruined by ridiculous amounts of lag...

honestly i don't know how people can play when they consistently (4 out 6 matches) get 800-2600 ping

Burton2000 · Dec 22, 2008, 06:07 PM // 18:07

Seriously avalanche should be fixed. Just give it to everyone and be done with. It's so annoying going into a match knowing that you will lose it most likely as you're grenth.

IlikeGW · Dec 22, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Avalanche has been uber OP and broken for years.

Likely they go on Christmas break in this event hence the terrible mess ups all the time like the 14 day requirement for the ATS and no one telling about the MPB last year, or collectors disappearing at a weird time last year. So no, they're never going to fix it, they push this event out and leave basically.

LifesRestorer · Dec 23, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by RotteN

hardly, since dwayna still has 8 copies of it while grenth is stuck with the ele-snare

In avalanche's current state, it can't be countered by a clever present swap due to it's AoE.
If it was to be single target then the present sweeper could organise a drop and grab so he could continue without cripple. in this time, the snared target can use yellow snow and once again be ready to pick up the present as the new runner meets the next avalanche

Lex · Dec 23, 2008, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Tolkano shows now two Snowball Tournaments in distance period of one hour - bug?

credit · Dec 23, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Sweet free zkeys thanks anet.

Truegen · Dec 23, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

First I just want to say thanks to everyone that was watching the ATS finals and showing support to both sides of the teams participating in the finals. It's appreciated to see [dth] recognized amongst the other highly talented teams in these ATS

Second I have to agree with the general concensus...Dwayna does not = autowin, but a talented Dwayna will always be > talented grenth. There are two crazily-easy fixes, imho:
1) Yellow snow 1 second cast, Avalanche 2 second cast
2) Avalance be single-target (and possibly, i don't know if this would be balanced, Yellow Snow erases one condition and prevents the next condition)

Thanks again for obs'ing, everyone. We look forward to participating in the future ATS!

rohara · Dec 23, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07

avalanche really is >>>>>> yellow snow. yellow snow is kinda counter-productive to use as a glyph and not simply as a condi removal skill...when you are trying to snatch someone's present, your teams will be up close and personal and everyone will end up with disease. forget about removing it with the glyph again, it will just be reapplied a split second later. and the 2 second cast time is BS, and the fact that it cancels hidden rock when used is also BS.

not that i think anet will change anything at this point XD wishful thinking...

my guild made a habit of chanting DWAYNA DWAYNA DWAYNA whilst entering the tournament matches. we finished in 4th place, won all our dwayna matches, lost all our grenth matches. we beat the guild that finished in 2nd place as dwayna 9-2, but lost to them in single elims as grenth 10-4. bleh.

Lex · Jan 06, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Any info when Snowball ATs are going to end? Wintersday is over but Tolkano is still offering these.

stretchs · Jan 06, 2009, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Was great to have the ATS as it made this years Wintersday quite fun. If they were to avoid reworking the skills and just give the lower ranked team the Dwayna at least there would be some sense to it, this would of course cause tons of guilds to create smurfs just to cheat at it, but at least the randomness of it would be removed. I know when we played the random of getting dwayna for us was way under 50%, I would say probably 70-30 with us getting Grenth'd as we liked to call it quite often.

Either way, I would love to see GW use this format for Dragon Arena, or other minigames if possible as I know it brought many new people into the AT format that would maybe not have participated in without its addition

*lemming* · Jan 06, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09

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Originally Posted by stretchs

Was great to have the ATS as it made this years Wintersday quite fun. If they were to avoid reworking the skills and just give the lower ranked team the Dwayna at least there would be some sense to it, this would of course cause tons of guilds to create smurfs just to cheat at it, but at least the randomness of it would be removed. I know when we played the random of getting dwayna for us was way under 50%, I would say probably 70-30 with us getting Grenth'd as we liked to call it quite often.

Or just balance avalanche against yellow snow.

350 rps is really way too much relative to gvg ATs.